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They’re All The Same! It Doesn’t Matter if I Vote or Who I Vote For??? (Part 5)

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October 9, 2014 by Chris Kite

You might be feeling a little down about the state of politics in the US. The gridlock, political bickering, and overbearing control corporations and the rich have on this country are probably rightfully causing frustration and perhaps despair. But before you decide voting just doesn’t matter, please consider these facts that I’ll present in a series over the coming days:

Gun Violence – Democrat versus Republican
Republicans continue to fight any effort to keep guns out of the hands of kids and criminals. They suppress any effort to understand the link between guns and injuries and deaths in the US. Democrats recognize that while American’s have a right to “bear arms,” there are common sense safety measures that can make our country safer and better. There are ways to minimize the number of weapons that end up in the hands of criminals. There are ways to protect children from the dangers of unsecured weapons. And it only makes sense to apply the same kind of scientific analysis that has been so successful in making air travel and automobiles so much safer. Republicans fight every effort and have become an extension of an NRA that is more interested in selling as many guns as possible than in the good of the nation and its people. Your vote matters!

10 thoughts on “They’re All The Same! It Doesn’t Matter if I Vote or Who I Vote For??? (Part 5)

  1. lwk2431 says:

    “You are so polar opposite of anything we stand for that I’m not sure why you read this blog.”

    I don’t read it all the time. Just every once in a while a title/subject catches my attention.

    But in answer to your question of why I do sometimes read your posts, it is because I actually would like to understand where the other side is coming from and how they think. I have met some pretty decent folks from time to time who’s politics I don’t agree with.

    “We however Elect2Care about facts and at least middle of the road opinions. Even when they get a little impassioned we work to keep them rational and factual.”

    Part of the problem, and it is a problem for everyone regardless of what their politics, is actually finding the real facts.

    For example, I mentioned the apparent problem of the President being able to get down and negotiate with all sides and come up with compromises. It is extraordinarily clear that he does not have that skill. That is not conservatives or Republicans saying that. A lot of people in his own party are beginning to say that.

    They are perhaps beginning to realize they elected a man to office with very little real experience in politics and a strong disinclination to practice politics (which _is_ the art of being able to work with everybody and find compromises that get around gridlock). It is disingenuous to claim that the fault is purely due to intransigent Republicans in Congress.

    Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act in 1964 _only_ because he could get a large number of Republicans to support it (an often forgotten fact) while many Democrats opposed it. LBJ was a real politician, despite his very real faults.

    Ronald Reagan never had a Republican majority in Congress but he still got things done. He was a real politician. As far as I can tell the current President can only get significant things done when he has an overwhelming majority in Congress, _and_ senior Democrats actually do the work of getting the bill constructed, e.g., “Obamacare.” As far as I can tell the President is more interested in golfing and taking multimillion dollar vacations than doing real work.

    And again, a lot of Democrats are beginning to notice it too. The other day it was leaked that the President misses over half of his scheduled policy briefings and when he talked about ISIS the other day he said “We don’t have a strategy for that.”

    So yea, I am kind of interested in how folks on your side interpret all that. Is the President just too smart to deal with all of these things? Do we actually have a President that is really “on duty” most of the time? I have to wonder and I think a lot of Democrats are beginning to wonder what they bought into when they elected him. Of course the diehards will never admit there might be a problem.

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    • skokielib says:

      It’s time to shut down comments, but given it’s our blog and we control it, I’ll put in a few last comments>

      Very interesting perspective of facts, lwk2431. I’ll attach an interesting article from back in 2009. It talks about the President’s attempts at bipartisan negotiations. They were real and they were sincere. This is a frequent talking point of the right and they gloss right over the fact that Republicans adopted a scorched earth policy from day one. They even talked publicly about it immediately after the election. There was no negotiation. Time and time again, the President came to the table, offered concessions, and the Republicans would say, it’s not enough. Pass our laws the way we want them with no input from Democrats. That’s not compromise! It reminds me of a spoiled child. It’s my way or no way. MOM!!!

      And I believe you are sorely mistaken on the reason the Democratic base is unhappy with this President. My liberal friends that are upset are almost universally upset because he is too far right. That’s correct. He hasn’t been progressive enough. Now I realize their perspective of right and yours are going to be vastly different. But the reality is that because he has been so centrist, and because we live in such a polarized political environment, THAT is why is popularity is so low.

      http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/73971-obamas-first-year-yields-few-results-in-drive-for-bipartisanship

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      • lwk2431 says:

        “My liberal friends that are upset are almost universally upset because he is too far right. That’s correct. He hasn’t been progressive enough.”

        I have to admit that is an interesting perspective. Just keep this in mind. Everyone here are human beings with views that they have arrived at by vastly different paths. If you tried to see the other side as real human beings with intelligence and good intentions you would do well. I can’t agree with a lot you say, but I am pretty sure you are sincere, and truly believe you are on the side of the angels. 🙂

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  2. DK Fennell says:

    I have to say that you are fighting the good fight with this series and you are right in each one ofthe posts. It is looking dimmer and dimmer with each new poll that the Democrats can hold on to the Senate. We have lost control of the narrative; we have long-term problems because of the 2010 redistricting (owing to the loss of the narrative right after the 2008 election), many Democratic politicians are too timid to lead and bad Democrats are too often tolerated simply because they will organize under Reid. It is going to take heavy lifting from the ground it, and it’s going to take time. This is true, notwithstanding all the predictions about demographics. Republicans have hung on, despite advancing many highly unpopular policies and frankly being personally unappealing because they have become masters of stitching together constiuencies of rabid single issue groups (anti-abortion, anti-tax, pro-military, etc.) Democrats must actually organize and advocate and not simply hope that demographics will solve all their problems. One good starting point would be to actually support real gun control rather than try to finesse the issue. It’s popular, it’s right, and it’s pressing. It’s really long since time that Democrats give up the “triangulation” strategy and actually get behind policy. It would help them and it is certainly what people want.

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    • Jan Stone says:

      Thanks for the support and for being such a long-time follower. We appreciate it more than we can say. Election time is a scary time in this country. It really underscores how little people truly study the issues and how easily brainwashed they are. And then there’s the President. It’s like he gets it so it doesn’t drive him crazy. He knows what we’re up against; he somehow deals with it the best way he can without looking like a fool but rather a very smart person who is doing all he can given the tools he has and what he knows about the audience he has to work with. I wish the rest of his party were half as smart as him; I wish we could get the egos out of the way and put humanity first. We must look like fools to the rest of the world.

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  3. lwk2431 says:

    “Gun Violence – Democrat versus Republican”

    In the coming election I think you can bet that Democrats trying to hold on to their seats will keep a very low profile on gun control.

    “an NRA that is more interested in selling as many guns as possible than in the good of the nation and its people.”

    The simple fact is that the NRA has a long history of being very interested in gun safety and responsible gun ownership. I understand you don’t see it that way, but it serves no _good_ purpose to demonize those who see the very differently than you.

    “…overbearing control corporations and the rich have on this country…”

    There is no real difference between your average Democrat and establishment Republican on this. They all end up serving the people that can give them money to get re-elected (which they care far more about than me or you).

    If you really wanted to get rid of the “gridlock” support and demand term-limits. It takes a few terms for many politicians to become totally “bought.” Make that impossible.

    Unfortunately from your point of view the “gridlock” then would be broken, but the “change” you see might be in an entirely different direction than you would like (think of smaller government and rampant free enterprise).

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    • skokielib says:

      Term limits are built into our political system. Every two years people decide if their Congressional Representative should have another term. Every six years people decide if their Senator should have another term.

      As far as serving the people that give them money to get re-elected. I agree. That’s why I support Democrats that are fighting to take the money out of the election process. We need an amendment to overturn Citizens United and to massively overhaul campaign finance. THAT would solve the problem! As we saw from the Tea Party nuts that swept into office in 2010, they didn’t do anything to solve gridlock, they massively contributed to it. They were willing to sacrifice the American public so that they could score political points. Fortunately, the American people saw that movement for what it was and it is no longer a major force.

      I happen to think that my Congressional Representative, who has served seven terms, does an excellent job of representing the PEOPLE in her district. Not the corporations and special interests, but the PEOPLE. Term limits would NOT help to serve my congressional district any better than it is being served.

      Smaller government and rampant free enterprise is an idealistic utopian dream that doesn’t exist in the real world. It sounds good in a fantasy novel by the neo-Conservative hero Ayn Rand, but that’s just fiction.

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      • lwk2431 says:

        “Smaller government and rampant free enterprise is an idealistic utopian dream that doesn’t exist in the real world.”

        And how does that differ from what you seem to want? You seem to be advocating for a vision that does not exist, yet, but seem to believe it may be possible.

        “…the neo-Conservative hero Ayn Rand…”

        Rand was many things, but she most cerainly was not a conservative.

        “… but that’s just fiction.”

        It seems to me that we see headlines today in the news very much like some depicted in Ayn Rand’s novel “Atlas Shrugged.” Many would have not believed some of those possible a generation ago.

        “the American people saw that movement [Tea Party] for what it was and it is no longer a major force.”

        We’ll see about that in November.

        What you call the “Tea Party” is a long term, and determined movement aimed at taking back the Republican Party from the present day establishment types in bed with establishment Democrats.

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      • Jan Stone says:

        You are so polar opposite of anything we stand for that I’m not sure why you read this blog.Too make us feel stupid? Because we don’t. Too make us feel uninformed? Because we don’t To misinform others? We aren’t. We’ve had this discussion before. You’re welcome to use your blog for your beliefs. Another benefit of the constitution.

        We however Elect2Care about facts and at least middle of the road opinions. Even when they get a little impassioned we work to keep them rational and factual. I’m sure you’ll have fun with that and, again, that’s what makes America great. Have at it!

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      • skokielib says:

        And how does that differ from what you seem to want?

        Well regulated free enterprise has had a very successful going in the US. It’s been tried an proven. It does require constant attention and tuning, but it works. It works well. And it allows an orderly society with a strong middle class. Until the 1980s when conservatives began to roll back regulation (and Bill Clinton continued it with the signing away of Glass-Steagall). Since then we’ve seen a steady march back toward most of the wealth being concentrated into the hands of the few.

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